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Personally, I just want an SC2 clone with fresh maps and maybe a few less spells. Stormgate seems like it's trying to please everyone, but in doing so is pleasing nobody. Go all in with WC3 style or SC2.. You won't please everyone so don't try to.

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Uh that is an awesome take about sc2 being a very isolated experience. I had the exact same feeling and it is crazy that it even felt that way for a gm level player… yeah I guess if you don’t happen to have some nerd friends who are also into rts and even the same rts you are playing it’s gonna be this way… and the joint probability of all of this becomes very low it feels like 😅 it’s not 25 years ago where everyone was playing the same 3 multiplayer games and 1 or then was an rts. I think it is an awesome point you are making about the plat player who has to have some purpose logging in that is not „let’s get my few shitty noob games over with before I jump over to UA-cam to watch pros play ‚the real game‘“

I really like creep camps as just like an environmental hazard. Like if there's a really strong position, but there's a powerful creep camp there, you could aggro it to help break the position, or you could bait out camps to keep you from getting chased across the map. Or something like, if you kick this hornets nest, they attack air units that try to cross this dead-space stuff like that.

Funny you say watching 1v1 is the extent of the community lol. Its so true, i hardly play sc2 maybe like 2 games a week. Game is too hard tbh (coming from a diamond zerg) and id rather just watch the pros. Games at my level are just not that fun. Sc2 too hard, storm gate is trash, battle aces is sweet but doesnt last long and feels like a arcade game. Aoe4 is cool but also annoying. Oh well

Love battle aces

These r great ideas but....The problem is there wont ever be a decent sized community in Battle Aces StormGate or Zerospace because as much as Content Creators want to hand-waive it off. People care about Concept Art and they dont want to play a game that makes them feel childish or silly for playing.

Watching and playing 1v1 Rts or any other game is most boring shit ever. Seen Starcraft 2 1v1 some tournament boring shit. Warcraft 3 custom games way more fun or team games.

I love battle aces. It's a very well designed game with a focused goal of what it wants to be. It makes stormgate look so confused in comparison. I'm definitely on team Battle Aces for the future, it's a game that I know i will just pick up and play if i have 20-30 mins free, where other games I enjoy like StarCraft BW and WoW Classic I can only play when i have 2-3 hours free.

its fun but its very very shallow. i was very bored at the end of my couple like hour long sessions...the game is literally 2 factors deep; the dice roll of your deck vs theres and then who micros better...fun little arcade game to hop into for a half hour here and there but i dont think a lot of people are gunna buy this period and certainly not for over like 15 bucks.

The whole thing was a scam. They made it in fucking Unity, and all the fundraisers got paid. They don't care if the game fails, they've already cashed out.

I actually disagree on the first part. Attack spamming is bad, use skill and be precise.

"If you not pro u are irrelivant" artosis mentality

Its dumb that yoh just always play 1 match. No rematch option. It would ve nice if you got cheese you can rematch or something or whatver you must hit a seconf build.

While I get that pro players don't really care about interacting with the campaign themselves.. I think that just ignoring it altogether is going to make it impossible to see the bigger picture of how RTS communities work - RTS games can't really be split up into the PvP mode and campaign mode as cleanly as that, because I think most players determine whether they want to play the game in the PvP modes or not based on their first impressions, and for most people their first impressions are usually from the campaign even if pro players don't interact with it much. If the campaign turns out really well, then that usually also means that there will be a lot of players that are trying the PvP modes once they're done with the campaign too, which creates a much more active community and better matchmaking outcomes (and also more likely to have meaningful tournaments too because there's more of an audience for it - very few people will watch tournaments of a game that they've never played regardless of how interesting the game mechanics of it are). You can't really "design a game for esports" - pretty much by far the most important thing for an esport (other than the obvious which is that it needs to have a competitive game mode) is just having an active community in general, and making an active community just means making a good game in general (even if the things that make it good aren't things that people at the pro level interact with). The biggest esports games don't really get that way because of how they're designed at the pro level, they get there because they're just popular games in general and the pro level stuff is just something that develops naturally after the game is already popular (as long as the balance isn't absolutely atrocious anyway).

Mechabellum is great, such a simple but effective tournament system to give you that little bit of community. It's automated, low overhead, not hardcore, yet people care about it and you get a little badge next to your name until the next tournament to brag about if you get a good result. And they had mini touronaments more frequently and weekly tourneys that have a bit more 'prestige'. A good balance. And there's enough people that you don't feel like you're fighting the same people every time but few enough that you do get to know some of your opponents over a few matchups. I gotta start playing again :)

This guy is a hater, i feel like he’s trolling

They already said they are gonna add a hero leveling system with skill leveling etc. (akin to wc3). Edit: Watched the video further now and you literally talk about a point that is already confirmed to change to the state that you propose :D. Could have cut the video 15 minutes shorter. haha.

Wouldn't allowing Heroes in 3v3 suddenly exacerbate the perception of Pay2Win if all the Heroes aren't free?

SC2 team games are super fun despite the stale maps and the bad balance and the tiny player base. They make me imagine how fun an actually good team mode could be. Huge opportunity exists in that space.

I agree with your hero take. When i think of warcraft3 i think of 3v3. I know its mainly a 1v1 game but i think wc3 1v1 is awful and sc2 is the game to play 1v1. And hero diversity is a good idea. Have multiple builds for each hero with 1 not being the best. Like the girl. Have 1 version ment to be a damage dealer, another for stealthy and evasive harrass, and another for utility during team fights to buff, debuff, or damage prevention mechanics on the hero or units. But make them worth it to go each path so we dont see the same build everygame because its just the best and doing anything else with that hero is less efficent.

Agree with all your viewpoints except two. First: In contrast to you, I really do not like the "Frost Giants", at least their marketing. Never saw such an arrogant, know-it-all game promotion. That alone could have stopped me from playing. Makes me sick. Second: I'm one of those guys that absolutely doesn't give a shit about multiplayer :D I am only into 1v1, this makes a game fun to me. That feeling of "speedy chess", strategics and the thrill. Love it. Also love to watch it, there is nothing better than Starcraft to me. Especially at the current state, Stormgate cannot compete this. Which is sad because I was also hyped.

tried playing this game years ago and couldnt get into it but decided to finally give it another try and these videos are so helpful i finally feel like i can actually learn to play lol

I don’t see a reason to play stormgate. In many ways it is so close to classic blizzard rts, which are far more polished and feature full than stormgate will probably ever be. At best, it feels like another rts in the same vein with different races and mechanics to explore, but I don’t think that is enough to draw in a large community to support it as a f2p game. The most important part of monetizing a f2p game is the presentation, not many are going to buy cosmetics in an ugly game.

Stormgate is so bad, I refunded that in the 2 hour timeframe. That game has no future

Bottom line, the game doesnt look fun.

The game's never going to be great, it feels about 20% complete and they've burned through 40 mil and have nothing to offer to make players spend more. I'm pretty sure the development will gradually fizzle out in the next few months.

One idea for clan/group play.. adding a sort of clan war/tournament mode that takes place over a few hours and is a series of matches. Mix of 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and Co-Op vs PVE objectives at various levels of difficulty. The fights are over objectives that boost the team or progress the war. Could either be something clans do, or streamers with their communities vs other streamers and their communities. Final 1v1 could be the streamer or clan leader/champion vs the other clan's, with all the bonuses/benefits/penalties that their teams accrued during the war.

All those games gonna flop after two weeks, cauz theres no way to have fun with friends or to make friends

Hope they listen the part about purpose

2025... Bah,Just a flop...the game look great ,but seriously 2025 late...flop

I wish stormgate would look visually as good as battle aces...

What if as soon as a game ended a 2x speed replay started with both players in it. You can leave but it just happen automatically. Lots of times ppl might stay and shoot the shit about what happens

I think when stormgate hits 1.0 state it's a good time to check back on it (if it reaches that point)

What do you think of Zerospace's approach of having a talent tree for the entire army?

They are trying to appease to many people with this game and it had turned out like crap. They should have just made a game for normies who like heros and warcraft 3 like games, or a competitive RTS.

It's fun in short bursts, but micro wars is a pretty hardcore game mode. I'd probably pay $15 or $20 for it, but if they expect constant buying new units to be able to have a competitive deck I'm out.

Have you considered coming back to Warcraft 3 until Stormgate hits a solid state? It's my favorite game of all time and I started playing again a couple of months ago after a long hiatus and am having a great time. I get good pings against almost anyone in the world ilon W3Champions ladder. I think Stormgate could be fun, but like 50% of the game isn't finished and 90% isn't polished. Really hoping it shapes up for a great 1.0 release!

53% positive reviews on Steam and dropping. 2-3k concurrents per day on average during the first week of EA launch. They're nearly out of the $41M they raised and are burning more than $1M per month. This is about the worst possible scenario for this studio and this game. Time to move onto greener pastures...plenty of other new RTS games coming out.

yeah.. almost no one is enjoying this game lol. A few hardcore SC2 people are determined to like it, but it feels like total cope. Don't get me wrong I'm rooting for them, maybe they can turn it around with a lot of work, but the only reason this game got any momentum is because people are wanting a new RTS so badly and are willing to give it a lot more leeway than normal because of that

Exactly how I feel. Thank you

Such good thoughts, clans were awesome in War3!

Monetisation is a huge problem. The cost per mission and per commander in my currency (£) is 2.4 - 2.5x greater than SC2.

This is how heroes are going to be. They explicitly stated they don't want Warcraft 3 heroes because they're game warping. StormGate heroes are intended to be more like Jim Raynor and Tychus in Wings of Liberty campaign. They're just slightly stronger units with some unique abilities.

it looked fun but also like i would get bored after 10 hours. Which is fine but its not great in terms of longevitiy.

Firstly fantastic video, great to see an open hearted critique of a genre you love. I'm Starcraft 2 diamond league player and level 1,000 in Co-op with a degree in game design. The issue in RTS games is the matchmaking system and how it shapes the reward curve for players. In a well designed reward curve you're going to win at least 80% of the time. The MMR system makes this impossible in PVP. The reason why co-op has an exponentially larger player pool is because the AI absorbs the losses so that players can nearly always win. Team games help to mitigate this by removing some of the blame on the individual player so that losses don't always feel like losses. In team games you can lose the overall game but feel like you win personally by out competing your team.

DEI starcraft lol Amaras butt uglier than the starwars outlaw

Battle aces is definitely a lot of fun! I am also very impressed with immortal gates of pyer

ViBE the monetization of Frost Giant is not fair. I read on steam that some users paid 10€ for each commander and for every 3 missions of the campaign. They need to change their monetization policy if they want people's support. If you ask me, I don't care to pay 100€ for a complete game and then pay 10-15€ for campaign episodes with story and 5€ for new coop heroes. Or 80-100€ for an expansion that is worthy! But 10€ just for a hero, or 3 missions? Please ViBE emphasize this problem!

the game is not fun. i tried it at the first beta. its just doesnt have that spark.